Michelle:
Welcome to Ritual Sisters, the podcast where your hosts and fellow travelers, Michelle and Kelly, explore the ways that ritual can help you feel better through the ups and downs of life. So let's take a deep breath, and start this journey together.

Michelle:
Alright, welcome ritual fam to our May Riff - Theme of Nurture.

Kelly:
Yes!

Michelle:
We have an extra special episode today because we have our moms with us. Welcome Annie, my mom, and Carrie, Kelly's mom!

Michelle & Kelly:
Yay!

Audible Laughter 

Kelly:
Yes, welcome!

Carrie:
Glad to be here.

Annie:
Thank you for having us.

Michelle:
Yeah, we're excited to talk about nurture with two people that nurtured us.

So we wanted to start off by asking both of you our traditional ritual sisters’ question of what season of life are you in right now?

Carrie:
Well, I guess I will start. I feel like I'm in a big transition right now, season of transition and change, personally. I think as Kelly knows, but I will be retiring in a month from now. Having worked for about 45 years - so it's going to be a big change. Yes.

Michelle:
Yeah, that's a big change. Is that part of the, I know you're traveling next month. Kelly, is that part of the retirement celebration?

Kelly:
Yes, I think so. That was, you know, Mom, I think a little bit of your wish was to have something to look forward to to mark this time.

Carrie:
Mm-hmm

Michelle:
For a second there, the way you responded, I thought it was like a surprise.

Audible Laughter 

I was like, oh my gosh, did I ruin this??

Kelly:
Well, and for listeners, so we just went to a silent retreat. Mom, I wonder if you want to speak to that at all, like how that maybe helped kickstart a little bit of the transition.

Carrie:
Yes - Kelly and I talked about how we could find some time and space to think about this change in this new direction. So yes, we were very blessed. We went to a monastery in Western Pennsylvania last weekend to my very first silent retreat, actually my first retreat ever. Hate to say that, but it was wonderful. It was wonderful being with Kelly, but also just being silent with our thoughts, we had a wonderful retreat master, a wonderful priest in the, again, from the Western PA, St. Vincent College area, and just gave us both time to reflect, think, and spend some time with our thoughts and feelings, which, boy, in this busy world, we just don't often take the time to do. 

And it was funny at the end of the retreat, I was expecting it to be a - I feel so wonderful and better - and you're really exhausted. Spending a whole weekend in silence with yourself and your feelings and your thoughts. And Kelly said, I should have warned you about that. 

Kelly:
Shoulda, yeah, shoulda gave a little warning.

Carrie:
Yeah, it was a great way to kind of start to mark this new transition.

Michelle: 
That’s beautiful.

Annie:
It sounds like it might be hard. Like do you have to just like...

Kelly:
It was definitely hard, Annie.

Carrie:
Yeah.

Annie:
I mean, do you have to stop yourself a whole bunch of times from…

Carrie:
Yeah, I mean, everyone was very - played by the rules. Although I have to say by 24 hours, Kelly, we were like, we can't do this anymore.

Kelly:
Yeah, we were struggling hard. I think we were struggling the most.

Carrie:
So we would go for walks in the wooded path where we could whisper to each other. Nobody could hear us, know? So, okay.

Kelly:
Whispering in the trees

Audible Laughter 

Annie:
That's where you need sign language, right?

Kelly:
Yeah, seriously.

Carrie:
Yeah, you don't realize how much you communicate. And so we really started using almost sign language and writing on a notepad and everything. But no, everyone was, during meals and everything, very respectful of the silence. And that was great. Yeah.

Michelle:
Well, yeah, at first I was like, it's interesting to go to a silent retreat with people that you know, because I feel like it would be so much harder to stay silent.

Carrie:
Yeah, yeah, good point, Michelle. Yeah.

Michelle:
But I feel like that sounds like an interesting relational exercise too, relating to each other in a different way.

Kelly:
Mmm, I love that. Yeah.

Annie:
Can people still get on your nerves even though they're not?

Audible Laughter

Kelly:
You know, it's interesting you say that, we were definitely picking up on some nonverbal communication because we were the only non-Catholics at this retreat. Yeah, it is interesting how much you do pick up on even without audibly sharing your thoughts and feelings. But no one was like, I want to get away from, no one gave me like the ick in that way.

Carrie:
Yes, very true.

Kelly:
Annie, what season of life are you in?

Annie:
Yeah, I've been thinking about this. I guess I would say reflection might describe it best. For one thing, my 70th birthday is fast approaching.

Kelly:
When is it?

Annie:
In June 

Carrie:
Happy early birthday - that's a big one!

Annie:
Yeah, and I just, I guess maybe I have time that I didn't used to to kind of think about things and, you know, think about people that have been really important to me and also kind of with the three granddaughters, they always ask me for late funny stories from the past or that. So I guess I think in terms of kind of like legacy of, you know, like what place do I have and have I had? And when people think about me, what kind of, what do I want to leave people with, I guess? And also kind of like, you know, you never know how much more time you'll have. And I kind of think, how can I best put each day to the best use that I can?

Michelle:
I want you to write a book about all the family stories that you're sharing. I feel like you have a good memory for that. And I definitely don't. My dad definitely doesn't either.

Annie:
No, yeah, yeah. And that way I kind of feel like, because rather suddenly at the age of 58 was the oldest person in my family. Like so many people passed away all at once when I was in my late 50s. And I just sort of thought, wow, I'm the one now that's the only one left really to pass along those kind of family, you know, stories and values and things like, you know, things I learned from my parents and grandparents. And then luckily the granddaughters love hearing that kind of stuff.

Kelly:
Well, and Annie, you are so creative for listeners that don't know you. I mean, you are, yeah, you have so many different talents. Like to Michelle's point, have you thought about how you do wanna record some of that, like the stories?

Annie:
Yeah, no, not, I mean, it would be good to write some things down, I think. I don't have any first cousins, but I do have two second cousins that live in Wisconsin. And they remember things, you know, too, from my grandparents, which would have been their aunt and uncle and that. So they know a lot of things too.

Michelle:
And you've also been working really hard on learning Norwegian and going back to Norway as much as you can, which that's where your dad is from.

Annie:
Yeah, and that's been really important to me. Maybe just for my own self more than other people, but Norway is a really unique place and my dad was a very unique person and it's kind of neat to like, for one thing, I don't, I think it dates back even to the Vikings, but they have this really strong culture of not bragging about stuff - not putting yourself above other people - to work together. And it's called Janteloven and it just means to be together. And so you just, I mean, I don't know, you probably remember too, my dad was just not a braggy sort of person. He had a real self-deprecating sense of humor and that. And just that, you know, kind of in touch with those like cultural roots and traditions and things seems like it's more important to me now than it used to be maybe.

Kelly:
Mmm. And that's something Annie, you definitely have that in common with my mom. Because mom, you love diving into ancestry, too.

Carrie: 
Yes, yes, very much so. Yeah, we've traced our family roots back to like the 1200s. Yeah, Kelly and I, went to Bruges, where sort of our ancestry is from and do remember the church we were at…

Kelly:
Oh yeah, we were feeling the spirits!

Carrie:
Yeah.

Audible Laughter

Kelly:
We were feeling some things.

Carrie:
The distant ancestors, yes, was their burial spot. So yeah. Yeah, family stories are so, so amazing. I know Kelly has throughout her childhood - we do a family reunion every summer because my family roots were originally from West Virginia. So back in every summer, the aunts, great aunts, you know, aunts and uncles, what have you gather and I've learned more about my mother and her family sometimes during those events, right? When folks are sharing stories and yeah, about their upbringing on the farm and not having electricity till they were 16 years old and what life was like and it's great for the children and all the younger people too to hear those stories.

Kelly:
So you both are kind of speaking to this, but we do like to ask what you would say your relationship is like to ritual, ceremony, tradition - if that word speaks to you. So is there anything either of you wanna add to that?

Annie:
Well, I kind of think Michelle has been a big part of that in our family for a long time. Because for you, like the holidays and family meals and vacations and all that kind of thing. Michelle really liked to have a sense of, like I think continuity and like from year to year, some things like, you know - being able to count on and then being kind of creative with, okay, what kind of meal should we make this year? What could we, you know, add or, you know? And I think too, like, flexible, flexibility seems important. One of the things we did during the pandemic, which I loved more than anything, was going down to the Bosque del Apache. It's an hour and a half south of Albuquerque and it's where the Sandhill Cranes and the Snow Geese spend the winter. And it was just like the coolest, coolest thing. And I like that way more than like cooking and cleaning and stuff.

Audible Laughter

Kelly:
Yes, I don't blame you Annie.

Carrie:
I'm with you there!

Annie:
A picnic and seeing those magnificent birds. Oh my gosh. To me, that was like a tradition that, you know, was sort of born out of necessity, but then it just was so cool. But I would like to add that into the yearly thing we always do. Maybe not instead of a traditional thing, but to add something really cool and new to what we do.

Michelle:
It makes me think of when Kelly went to Vermont, was it last year? 
Kelly:
Oh, yeah, when we went last fall.

Michelle:
Yes. She was always like, oh my gosh, I understand you so much more now Michelle.

Kelly:
100%. I was like, I thought about you SO much on that trip.

Carrie:
Yes, Kelly said that.

Michelle:
But I feel like it is a place because it's so rural. Most of what you can do is nature and it has very distinct, strong seasons. I feel like that's a big part of ritual throughout my life. But even that, being in Albuquerque, it's like, of course you would go an hour and a half to see these cranes instead of going to the bar or something. It's just being out in nature and following the seasons in that way, feel like, is very ingrained in our family.

Carrie:
Yeah, I would say in our family, Kelly, it's probably the holidays. 

Kelly:
Mmm

Carrie:
Thanksgiving for probably what? 30 years, right? We would drive to Pennsylvania and we would get up Thanksgiving Day morning, watch the Macy's Day parade, right?

Kelly:
Which I still watch - we still watch with Grandma.

Carrie:
We still do, right? And help Grandma and Grandpa with dinner, which pretty much the same menu. It's delicious every year, right?

Kelly:
Oh yup, I missed the broccoli casserole though, because I can't have the freaking cow's cheese anymore.

Carrie:
And then Friday was always shopping, girls shopping day, on Fridays and Saturday was looking at the Festival of the Trees. I mean, you couldn't mark Thanksgiving for, I bet, 30 years. But it was important to us. It was such an important part. And that's probably true for the same thing for Christmas and Easter. And we're just, I guess, traditionalist, perhaps around the holidays. But it's two things. I think it gives continuity and just a sense of belonging as a family. It also somewhat makes it difficult too when you do lose people in your lives and those rituals have to change. So when Kelly's grandpa passed away, then that became a time to adopt a new type of a ritual.

Kelly:
Awww yeah, that's what I was thinking, Mom, when Annie brought up flexibility of, yeah, like we had to be flexible and go from Pennsylvania to Michigan. And yet even not having that drive as a family, right, that is a change.

Annie:
You probably had adventures over the years with that drive at that time of year, right? 

Carrie:
Oh yes, yes, yes. Some few hours, some hours on pure ice sliding across the state of Ohio, yes. Yes.

Michelle:
All right, so we're gonna dive into our May questions. We might not get to all of them depending on how much we talk about each one, but the first one that we wanted to talk to both of you about is what does nurture mean to you?

Annie:
If you just look at it at the surface, it's somebody or a plant or an animal who needs something and another person providing. But so there's sort of this, you know, helping, helping sort of idea. But I think if you look at it a little deeper, it's like a relationship back and forth. For instance, you have a newborn infant and you need to feed them and dress them appropriately and all that. But when you're taking care of them, you're flooded with these hormones that make you more relaxed and more loving and more receptive. So even though the one person is kind of receiving care, the caregiver is also getting something from that relationship. And I think there's a lot of back and forth between people who may be in a position where they need more and people who are there to step up and care for that person. And it shifts, you know. Like an infant needs a certain kind of nurturing, but a 13-year-old needs a different sort of nurturing.

Kelly:
I love how you just described that.

Carrie:
Yeah, yeah, I love that, Annie too, you’re right. So often you think of nurturing being one directional, but it's truly not, right? True nurturing is a shared experience between two individuals. And I think - I also look at it as each individual helping the other grow in unique and different ways, right? How we bring our different thoughts and skills and ideas. I think back to your comment Annie about nurturing at different ages and I also think sometimes different individuals need different types of nurturing as well, right? We all come into this world with different types of personalities and different backgrounds and experiences and sometimes it's not always easy, but to think about what nurture, what matters to one individual might be different than to another, whether it's a different child or a different member of the family or what have you.

Annie:
Yeah. And also I think there's a thing of how much too, because nurturing can slide into smothering. You know what I mean? You don't want to help somebody to the point where they feel like they can't do stuff. That they're not capable of doing whatever it is. So I think sometimes nurturing is nurturing their potential, you know, nurturing them in the direction that they want to go, not exactly where you want them to go.

Carrie:
Right. Yeah, I totally totally agree with that. Yes.

Kelly:
Hmmmm, really interesting. Yeah, what a fine line there.

Annie:
Yeah, or maybe it's like a big fat wide river.

Audible Laughter 

Kelly:
Wow, ohhhh okay, that got, that’s got me thinking.

Michelle:
Well, it also makes me think of the idea of reciprocity. I know you used to always say growing up that sometimes when people are the hardest to love is when they need it the most. And it kind of makes me think too about how when we're nurturing something that's difficult, whether it's a person or like a challenging plant or something that almost like we anticipate this reciprocity of, oh I'm going to take care of this person. They're going to be so happy for it. It's going to feel great. And when we encounter the resistance, it's like sometimes we fall apart.

Annie:
Yeah, and I think sometimes too, the kids, the person that they feel safest with is the one that they lash out at the most.

Carrie:
Oh absolutely!

Kelly:
Mom’s like, yeah!
Carrie:
Well, yeah, I think it's the safe space, right? Where sometimes it's hard, but then sometimes it's also a gift because you realize you're offering a safe space to somebody where they can truly release all their emotions and all their feelings. And as Michelle, as you said, that can be difficult, but at the same time, it's a gift to provide that space for that individual.

Kelly:
Mom, I wonder if you could speak to, as well, just because so many people are in that sandwich generation and with grandma living with you all and you're nurturing your mom. So I don't know if you want to speak to any of that.

Carrie:
Yeah, it's um, yeah, my 95 year old mother, God bless her, lives with us and yeah, it's a different type of relationship, right, because you grow up feeling nurtured and supported by your parents and then there's a certain point where through whether it's physical decline or mental decline. Sometimes those roles have to reverse a little bit - and it takes some thought and patience and understanding. And Kelly, I know from your therapeutic background has helped me as we've talked about.

Kelly:
Oh good, I love to hear that.

Audible Laughter
 
I'm glad it can be useful.

Carrie:
You have helped me to have a different perspective and level of patience. Again, it's also something so very meaningful, and grateful to have the opportunity to provide that care and assistance.

Michelle:
I was thinking about this question earlier because I know we're going to talk about what projects we're nurturing. And right now I’m hoping to run a 50-mile race - my farthest race ever.

Kelly:
My mom is like, so impressed.

Michelle:
So it all, it's yeah, thinking about that, like the difficulty, like I woke up this morning and was like, there's no way I can do this. I should just downgrade to the 32 mile race.

Kelly:
Love that that's the downgrade option as well.
Michelle:
I'm laughing at myself now, but in the morning it felt really serious. 

Audible Laughter 

But before the run, I was thinking about this question and what if I approach this from more of a nurturing stance? I'm nurturing this project - what does that look like? And one of the things I was thinking about is that stereotypical mom thing of you just love everything your child does and it's just amazing and other people are kind of like whatttt but you're seeing it as they're so amazing! So when I was on the run I was thinking about, you know, my pace isn't quite good enough or I'm feeling tired, but instead trying to put that lens on it of wow - you ran this far like oh my gosh you had a 17 minute mile - amazing!

Kelly:
Awwww I love that!

Michelle:
And I really appreciated that during the run, but I wonder if either of you can speak to that. I guess, is that something you felt too, or when you put the effort into nurturing something that you're just so much more amazed by it - and delighted by it - than you would something that you didn't put that effort into?

Annie:
Well, I mean, I guess being a parent for sure; you put so much of your love and you try not to put so much of your own ego into it, but it's hard. That's a little hard to pull back to, but you're just so happy with every little accomplishment that they do. And so, you know, it just gives you a lot of nice feelings about…you know, there's this other human being that's like doing all these really neat things and...

Carrie:
Yeah, I totally agree, Annie. Yes, your children are everything.

Kelly:
So similar to what Michelle was talking about, how she's nurturing this race. For Annie and Carrie - for you both, what are the projects that you're currently growing and why?

Annie:
Oh, I have a good one!

Kelly:
Oohhh, we're ready.

Annie:
Yeah, just well, it's something that I did a really long time ago for quite a while and haven't done for 50 years. And I don't know why it just started to come in my head - come up more and more. I should go back to playing clarinet. 

I played it from when I was nine years old till when I was 18 years old. And then I put it away and gave the instrument away and - but it just kept coming up. For one thing, I wasn't allowed to practice at home and I never had any private lessons. So it was just like showing up for band practice and I didn't reach a very high level - I can tell you that. 

Audible Laughter 

I mean I showed up, you know, and then, but I've always had this sort of feeling like, not that I'll ever become a professional level. That's not my goal or anything, but I just wanted to see if I could pick it back up again, even, or whatever. So in February, I got the clarinet and I've played it pretty much every single day since then.

Kelly:
Awwwww what a sweet ritual!

Annie:
Yeah, I have some lung issues. So I had read that playing a wind instrument can help your pulmonary functions. So I had this other like, oh, maybe it'll be good for me. And it has, it has helped that. But when I went to the store and he handed me the clarinet, right away, my fingers went into the right position. You know, like Michelle, the violin, you have to curl your fingers a certain way. And reading the music and the fingerings came back like right away. It was so amazing that there was still that muscle memory and stuff.

Kelly:
That’s incredible!

Annie:
So that's been my big, you know, taking time to do something fun and interesting. And when I come up, I want Michelle and I to do a duet together.

Kelly:
I was gonna say when you come to Colorado, bring the clarinet, Annie. I will cheer you guys on!

Michelle:
This is the first I'm hearing of this.

Audible Laughter 

Kelly:
Yes, yes, oh I'm ready.

Michelle:
We might be on the same level. It might not be a duet that people will enjoy listening to, they'll enjoy experiencing. We can pass out earplugs.

Audible Laughter 

Kelly:
Just like gently put them in. Like you can hear it, but not fully.

Annie:
Yeah, the poor dogs will be going, oh no.

Michelle:
I do love that though, because we were just talking about - on the April Riff which hasn't come out yet as of this recording - but how my perspective is that we can get stuck in like, I'm not good enough at this or I haven't achieved this professional level. So why even bother? So I like that you're doing it just for fun.

Carrie:
Alright, projects I'm nurturing.

Kelly:
Mom's like, I'm trying to get rid of projects.

Audible Laughter 

Michelle:
Project is the trigger word. 

Kelly:
It might be.

Carrie:
Yeah. So I'm nurturing a future project. Is that all right? Can I answer from that perspective?

Kelly:
Yeah

Carrie:
Okay. All right. So again, as my transition, I move away from my work world. I think a couple things. I want to focus on learning more around meditation and having quiet time and still time for reflection because I think sometimes in this crazy busy world that we all live in, there's just, and I will be a novice starting off, so I need to figure out how to take one little step and move in that path. But I definitely think around meditation…I want to nurture some projects around volunteer efforts. So I have a few things in my mind around that. Again, just having more time to devote to community and to kind of personal development as well. Well Annie, Kelly doesn't even know this, but guess what’s also on my checklist? Picking up the piano again! How crazy is that??

Kelly:
I knew you guys would love each other! Now it's a trio!

Audible Laughter 

Carrie:
When you said that, like, are you kidding? So I was, cause I've been looking up who do I, cause our piano is so out of tune. I'm like, who do I find to come in to tune the piano? And same thing, I played throughout high school and I haven't touched, I just, I don't play anymore. And I thought, and now that we can get the music on our iPads, right? And, no more old fashioned sheet music. So that's a future project coming up soon.

Michelle:
We’ll definitely have to record our quartet.

Kelly:
I don't know what I'm contributing…I’ll have a little maraca or something. 

Audible Laughter 

Kelly:
Really, what a lovely way to return to the arts in a playful way, right? Not over, not putting pressure on it, just for play and fun.

Carrie:
Mhmmm

Kelly:
We are heading into, gosh, I just love this section where we get to create some rituals together around our theme. So of course our theme being nurturing, Carrie and Annie, we wanted just to riff with you a little around rituals that could fit into nurturing, whether it's rituals to nurture a project or maybe a new plan or is there anything coming up for either of you?

Annie:
Well, with the music, I also asked Madeline if she would be willing to do a duet with me. And she got some sheet music that has duets for clarinet and for piano or cello. And then the other one is the three grandchildren, one is 11, one is nine, and one is six. And they all want to do different little things.

Betty's really interested in sewing and Leela's really interested in learning to knit. So with the grandkids, there's some little things that they would like me to help them learn how to do.

Kelly:
That's so sweet, Annie. Yeah, they seem really...I love when you post pictures of them. They seem so artsy!

Annie:
This is like the best thing ever to learn how to knit if you tell yourself a word for the different steps in it. So this is, this is the steps. “Stab it, strangle it, scoop out its guts, throw it off the cliff.”

Michelle:
Wait, “stab it.”

Annie:
“Stab it, strangle it, scoop out its guts, throw it off a cliff.”

Audible Laughter 

Michelle:
Wait, did Betty come up with that? Because that sounds like something she would do.

Carrie:
Very memorable!

Audible Laughter 

Michelle:
I was like, okay, just a side note. My niece, Betty, she has a very morbid sense of humor. She's hilarious - she’s nine. Yeah, this last year or no, two years ago at Christmas, so she was seven. I had them, we were doing a whole ritual around eating. And I had them write down something that comforted them. And she wrote guts - in parentheses - intestines for something that comforts her. So that’s why I’m like, did Betty make this?

Audible Laughter

Carrie:
Different approach

Audible Laughter

Michelle:
So it’s funny. But I think, yeah, maybe the ritual is to connect with somebody else around the project that you're doing, either, yeah, let's do a duet or like, let's run this race together or find somebody else that's doing a project and be interested in it and help them nurture it.

Carrie:
I think for me, it's setting dedicated time aside for it and being sort of faithful towards that. It's easy, you know, whether Michelle, you run or you're working out or exercising, but really being mindful about setting aside time to take part in the ritual, take part in the nurturing. And then from my lens, too, I like to do research. I'm just that type of person. So being as well informed about what it is I'm trying to do and researching the different options and best path forward. 

I probably approach projects in both of those ways. But I like the buddy - the buddy system is a great one. Great for encouragement and support.

Michelle:
I'm the same way - I like to research too, and that's kind of a ritual of going to the library and getting a series of books about something I want to learn about.

Carrie:
Yes

Kelly:
Yeah, you guys both research and plan trips the same way. Like Michelle, how many pages was your honeymoon binder again?

Michelle:
The binder was like 30 pages…for three weeks though…come on!

Audible Laughter 

Carrie:
Well, yeah, I can see it.

Michelle:
Yeah, that was good. Yeah, I think for me, like thinking about the run today, that was a little ritual of just pausing and tapping into what nurturing energy do I want to give this project? Because I think it's very easy to just kind of enter a project and go into, yeah, just like attack mode maybe. And instead coming back into what would it look like if I actually treated this like something I'm nurturing?

Kelly:
I like that, Michelle, like easing in.

Annie:
Do you have a project, Kelly?

Kelly:
You know, I was so inspired after the silent retreat, granted it's only been a week, so check in with me in a month. But since we came back, before I leave my bed, I think to myself, what went well yesterday? What am I grateful for? And something I'm looking forward to today. Because I was having crazy anxiety levels starting my mornings over the last couple months, which is actually quite unusual for me. So that is a new ritual that I've been implementing before I leave my bed. And it's just something I say to myself. And then for projects, I'm on a big, Michelle's heard a lot about this, decluttering journey. So I feel like I'm ritualizing my spaces. So I'm not filling them with new things yet. Right now I'm still going through them, but just kind of adding some pizzazz to my space.

Michelle:
All right. Well, this has been a lovely conversation about nurture. 

Kelly:
So lovely!

Michelle: 
And we will be asking some fun questions to our moms on the Patreon, so stay tuned for that. But if you are wondering what our June questions are, our June theme is going to be…

Michelle & Kelly:
Pride! Yayyyyyyy!! We’re so excited for our June guest!

Michelle: 
And the questions are going to be, what areas of your life do you feel most confident in? What areas of your life do you wish you could celebrate more? And how can you bring your “confident self” to your less confident self more? So we will have time to collect voicemails before our next Ritual Riff. So please do leave us a voicemail with responses to those questions. We'd love to hear from you.

Kelly:
Yeah, that has been so enjoyable hearing from people all across the country. So yeah, please call in!

Michelle:
And Carrie and Annie, thank you for joining us today!

Kelly:
Thank you, moms!

Carrie:
Our pleasure!

Annie:
Thank you for having us!

Michelle:
Well, wherever you're at, whatever you're doing, have a magical time. Goodbye!

Kelly:
Bye everyone!